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Poster: Ron2112 Date: Nov 23, 2005 12:27am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

No spite at all. I'm simply asking for an explanation. Everyone assumes that this a result of something the GD has done or requested. While that's probably a safe assumption, there's been nothing from the GD to indicate why this action was necessary. So before everyone starts letter-writing campaigns and organizing boycotts, it would be nice to know why this is happening. Especially given the time and effort the GD trading community has devoted to this site.

Peace,
Ron

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 23, 2005 12:38am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

there's been nothing from the GD to indicate why this action was necessary.

True. Therefore your demands for more information from the IA are misdirected.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-23 08:38:09

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Poster: Albix714 Date: Nov 23, 2005 12:36am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

I'd have to say this is the wrong forum but you can thank GDP for that one. They've left people no other venue. If I were the archive, I wouldn't want anything to do with GD music again.

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Poster: PhunkyZen Date: Nov 23, 2005 2:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

This news story says it all.. we should have seen this coming awhile ago.

Grateful Dead to offer entire catalog on iTMS
March 19, 2004 - 11:38 EST The Grateful Dead are finalizing a deal with Apple to make every live note they've ever recorded available for download from the iTunes Music Store (iTMS). "Everything, sooner or later, will end up being released on the Web," guitarist Bob Weir says. "What we wanna do is digitize our entire catalog, our entire collection of tapes and make that stuff available. I think iTunes is up to that." The band has recorded all of its live shows since the late 1960s. Weir says the Dead's jams are a bargain. "At 99 cents a tune, it's a pretty decent price, because most of our tunes are pretty long."

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Poster: Down the road feeling bad Date: Nov 23, 2005 2:50am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

do you have a link to that 'story'?

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Poster: Down the road feeling bad Date: Nov 23, 2005 3:36am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

Well, PhunkyZen may have a good point. Here's a link to a similar story:
http://macteens.org/index.php/features/fullstory/itunes_set_to_feature_all_of_the_grateful_deads_live_performances/

and a more recent one (March 2, 2005)

http://news.com.com/iTunes+walks+with+the+Dead/2100-1027_3-5596572.html

This sucks... 99 cents isn't exactly cheap and moreover it's absurd for an ACC or mp3

It sure looks like we're screwed folks


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Poster: Ron2112 Date: Nov 23, 2005 12:40am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

> True. Therefore your demands for more information
> from the IA are misdirected.

Only if 1) it's a given that the GD are behind this and 2) you know that some clarification is coming from GDP. And if that's the case, why not simply say so? All this subterfuge is only causing undue confusion and anxiety.

Peace,
Ron

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Poster: mikeyG Date: Nov 23, 2005 12:48am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

I dont see how the Grateful Dead could honestly do something like this. I mean, 40 years of the same policy and now this, something just doesnt add up. Are there even any shows for donwload or are they only for streaming? What is the scope of the removal?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 23, 2005 1:04am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

Are there even any shows for donwload or are they only for streaming? What is the scope of the removal?

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=47634

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Poster: jcroot Date: Nov 23, 2005 12:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

what exactly doesn't add up? gdp benefits from selling records of live shows + ia has the same shows for free + when given a choice people typically like free things better than ones they have to pay for + no market for gdp merchandise except perhaps bear decals (carry the one) = gdp informs ia not to host any more sbd shows or audience shows for dl to improve demand for their products that are for sale or will be in the future.

disappointing but not mysterious

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Poster: Ron2112 Date: Nov 23, 2005 1:08am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

> what exactly doesn't add up?

I think what the original poster meant by "not adding up" is that the policy in place up to about 24 hours ago seemed to be working fine. I'll cite the Fillmore East '69 run as a perfect example. Those shows were available here for some time, yet when the GD decided to officially release them, the box sets still sold like hotcakes. If the $500+ prices they're fetching on eBay is any indication, the demand is still pretty high.

Now, if it's GDPs intention to make the entire vault available for a reasonable price, then why haven't they announced this intention yet? Either way, I still don't see the conflict with LMA, given the example cited above and the fact that most of the new downloads are shows that were never available here in the first place.

Which brings me to the next point....the reason that the recent official downloads aren't selling so well has nothing to do with LMA. It's because $20 is simply too much for most folks to spend on a show that you have to burn yourself.

I can see the logic GDP is applying, but their fundamentla assumptions seem flawed.

Peace,
Ron

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Poster: mikeyG Date: Nov 23, 2005 1:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

Yeah i mean it makes sense, I guess I just always put the Grateful Dead in a seperate boat when it comes to these types of things but when it comes down to it there no different than anybody else...making money is more important than providing free music to the masses

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Poster: dire--wolf Date: Nov 23, 2005 12:46am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

Dianna, to your knowlege, will there be any formal word from the Dead in regards to this situation or is it just what it is?

In addition, as volunteer's for the Archive, does your team have access to these shows that are not available to us or are they off limits to the staff as well?

Repsecfuly, I feel everyone just want's some sort of answer to clarify so there isn't all this speculation. It would be easier to adjust knowing the truth.

Thank you for your time.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 23, 2005 1:12am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

What I know on the current changes is already covered in what you can read in Brewster's posts. He's talked about the changes from the Archive's viewpoint in a very clear way that is sufficient for here.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-23 09:12:18

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Poster: chun Date: Nov 23, 2005 1:26am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

Apparently not - since everyone is clamoring to know the entire story......

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